As of June 2024, China’s J-10 fighter jet, specifically the export-oriented J-10C variant, has achieved confirmed export sales only with Pakistan, which remains the sole international operator with finalised orders and deliveries.

Pakistan signed a contract for approximately 35 to 40 J-10C aircraft, valued around $1.5 billion, with deliveries beginning in early 2022.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) formally inducted 25 jets in March 2022 during a ceremony attended by the Prime Minister of Pakistan and the Chinese ambassador .

The procurement is designed to upgrade Pakistan’s air combat capabilities and counterbalance India’s acquisition of Rafale fighters.

According to Pakistani military officials and pilot feedback, the J-10C offers modern avionics, an AESA radar, integration with advanced PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, and improved multi-role combat capability compared with Pakistan’s existing platforms, especially the JF-17 .

Turkey is a significant prospective customer but, as of mid-2024, no formal contract to acquire the J-10C has been finalized.

Reports depict ongoing exploratory discussions or negotiations by Turkey to replace its aging fleet of about 250 F-16 fighters.

Turkish interest focuses on the J-10C’s modern avionics, compatibility with US weaponry after modification, lower acquisition and operating costs, and faster delivery potential, but the deal remains unconfirmed and subject to political and procurement considerations .

Additional preliminary interest has been reported from Sudan, which is said to be negotiating to acquire J-10Cs to replace older Russian jets, though no contracts have been signed .

Other countries in Southeast Asia, South America, and Africa have expressed or are rumored to have shown interest in Chinese fighters, though no confirmed deals exist beyond Pakistan.

Malaysia, for instance, recently considered Chinese L-15 jets in a tender but omitted the J-10 from its shortlist .

Defense analysts highlight the J-10C as a 4.5 generation lightweight, multirole fighter with advanced avionics, a domestic WS-10B engine featuring thrust vectoring, an AESA radar, and improved cockpit situational awareness.

The fighter supports over 11 hardpoints, capable of carrying a variety of modern air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons .

Pakistani pilot and official feedback aligns with the view that the J-10C is cost-effective and technologically competitive, offering enhanced multirole flexibility and strengthening regional airpower balances .

International defense commentary is generally positive on the J-10C’s technological strides but includes critiques, particularly from Western analysts, concerning the reliability of Chinese engines (notably the WS-10B) and concerns about the robustness of China’s ongoing maintenance, logistics, and after-sales support infrastructure.

These factors remain risk considerations for buyers accustomed to well-established Western support systems, although Chinese industry sources highlight continuous upgrades and improvements to address these issues .

In summary, Pakistan is the only confirmed J-10C operator with active deployment and operational feedback since 2022.

Turkey is engaged in negotiations but has not finalized a deal, and there are early-stage interests from countries such as Sudan and others in emerging markets.

The J-10C’s blend of affordability, advanced systems, and multi-role capabilities make it a growing competitor in the global fighter market, while questions remain around engine reliability and support frameworks.

This positions the J-10C as a symbol of China’s expanding influence in international fighter jet sales .

As of June 2024, China’s J-10 fighter jet, specifically the export-oriented J-10C variant, has achieved confirmed export sales only with Pakistan, which remains the sole international operator with finalised orders and deliveries.

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The Ministry of Defense said that since 0600 hours yesterday (8) to 0600 hours, six sorties (including one over the middle line of the strait) and three ships have been detected, and activities around the Taiwan Strait have continued.
The military uses mission aircraft, ships and shore missile systems to closely monitor and respond.
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According to the plan released by the Ministry of Defense, the Chinese People's Liberation Army entered the airspace around the Taiwan Strait, and one of the PLA's J-10 fighters crossed the northern end of the Strait Central Line and immediately turned back.
In the 1980s, Israel Aerospace (IAI) developed the Lavi based on the F-16, but production was canceled due to opposition from the United States.
Since then, Chengdu Aircraft Company has cooperated with Lion to develop new fighters. Although Israel and China ended cooperation after 1989, Chengdu Aircraft Company continued to develop and develop the J-10A in 1998, and completed the test flight of the J-10A, and completed mass production two years later.
The J-10A adopts a single engine, a single vertical tail, and a single wing pneumatic configuration in the dual delta wing, which is characterized by excellent high altitude and high speed performance, and the front delta wing can improve the maneuverability of medium and low altitude, which can effectively shorten the take-off and landing distance.
J-10 fighter after service with Su-27SK, Su-30MKK, J-11 and other fighters formed a high and low match. Although the price of the J-10A is only half that of the F-16, but due to poor reliability, the supporting domestic engine development into a bottleneck, resulting in poor export performance.
After the production of the J-10A, Chengdu Aircraft Company started a performance improvement and improvement program in 2004, and the J-10B was successfully tested in December 2008. The J-10B abandoned the rectangular intake channel design and switched to a Rampless integrated intake channel similar to the FC-1, and continued to improve the launch of the J-10C. 2017 In June, the J-10C participated in the 90th anniversary parade of the People's Liberation Army, making its first public appearance, and the J-10C was replaced with an active phased array radar.
The Pakistan Air Force is the only foreign procurement unit of the J-10, ordering 36 J-10CE fighters, and J-10CE is the export model of the J-10C.
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Pakistan signed a contract for approximately 35 to 40 J-10C aircraft, valued around $1.5 billion, with deliveries beginning in early 2022.

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(Ming Pao News) Pakistan's military confirmed on Wednesday (5) that it is buying multi-purpose J-10C fighters from China in response to the introduction of French Rafale fighters by the Indian Air Force. The J-10C is the main equipment of the People's Liberation Army Air Force, and once a deal is reached, it will be the most advanced fighter aircraft exported by China in history and will also be the Pakistan Air Force's strongest fighter.
It has been rumored that the number of J-10Cs exported to Pakistan is 35 to 40, and the price is about 1.5 billion US dollars (about 11.7 billion Hong Kong dollars).
Speaking at a press conference, Maj. Gen. Babar Iftikhar, a spokesman for Pakistan ’ s army, said: “This is a step to upgrade our air force and get the best possible technology because we know what the other side (India) is getting. ”
"Our opponents are using one excuse after another to keep buying the latest equipment," Iftihal warned.
Any conventional imbalance in the region is dangerous, "and" it will lead us into a race to buy more equipment. "
It is expected to purchase more than 30 aircraft, each about $390 million.
This is the first time the Pakistani military has made it clear that it is buying Chinese J-10s, but Iftihar did not say how many will be purchased.
China has not commented on this.
According to the military self-media "white wolf view of the world" on December 23 last year, since the service in 2006, the Chinese Air Force has been equipped with nearly 500 J-10C, becoming the Chinese Air Force's largest number of fighter aircraft.
Its foreign trade version of the J-10CE is also of interest to many countries, including Ukraine and "Pakistan Railway" (the nickname of the mainland people for Pakistan), Pakistan is ready to sign with China 35 to 40 aircraft, worth about 1.5 billion US dollars, each less than 50 million US dollars (about 390 million Hong Kong dollars).
"China Times" reported that this arms case is China's long-awaited defense deal, from the beginning of the J-10A until the J-10C deal, in addition to the Indian purchase of wind, J-10C successfully replaced the turbofan -10 vector thrust engine and decided to match the PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile, is Pakistan willing to finalize the deal two key factors.
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Another eye-catching item is the price, which was first reported at the 2018 Zhuhai Airshow at $70 million per aircraft, and is now about $50 million.
China is willing to sell to Pakistan at such a low price, in addition to friendly relations, but also considering that the India-Pakistan border may be the only battlefield that can allow the J-10C to have a combat test.
The report also said that last year, China and Pakistan agreed to the export of the Perila-15 (PL-15) long-range air-to-air missile, in addition to the use of the Pakistan Dragon Block 3, can also be equipped with the newly purchased J-10C.
It is believed that after importing the J-10C, its active phased array radar plus the long-range air-to-air missile, as long as it grasps the opportunity and uses it properly, it has the opportunity to defeat the fighter jet.
In 2015, India announced the purchase of 36 French fighter aircraft, worth US $8 billion (about HK $62.4 billion), with a unit price of nearly US $300 million (about HK $2.3 billion).
Pakistan: March National Day parade will see J-10 formation
Pakistan ’ s interior minister, Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad, also revealed plans to buy Chinese fighters at a public event last week, saying that a squadron of 25 J-10s will participate in Pakistan ’ s Independence Day parade on March 23 and that the flyby ceremony “will be conducted by the Pakistan Air Force in response to the (Indian) gusty fighters. ”
The 25 J-10Cs are believed to be the first aircraft to be delivered to Pakistan.
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Kagri Erhan, a member of the Security Council and Foreign Policy of the Turkish Presidency, announced that Ankara is expected to abandon its requests for American-made fourth-generation F-16C / D fighter jets due to the availability of a better alternative.
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The Turkish official noted that the “$20 billion cost package ” and the availability of more cost-effective options, notably the Chinese J-10C, could make such a rollout a reality.
"Now we have other options such as the Chinese plane that was sold to Pakistan, the Russian planes and also the Eurofighter," he said.
According to Miltary Watch, Pakistan began receiving Chinese J-10C fighters in February 2022.
The Chinese fighter is of the same weight as its American counterpart, the F-16, but it is several decades newer with multiple features and performance advantages, especially in terms of armament, flight and flight performance.
It is a lightweight single-engine fighter with low operating cost and improved fifth-generation avionics.
Chinese aircraft also have similar capabilities and in most respects are superior to their American counterparts, in addition to requiring less maintenance needs and much faster delivery time.
Although Turkey is the largest foreign operator of the US F-16, with about 250 in service, which means the new aircraft can be easily integrated with existing training and logistics systems and weapons, China has in the past modified its fighters to be able to operate US weapons at the request of foreign customers.
One of the main advantages of the Chinese fighter is its very low cost compared to its American counterpart, due to the fact that China manufactures large quantities of them, unlike the American.
Turkey ’ s preference for lightweight fighters makes the Chinese single-engine aircraft an effective and pioneering option.

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The procurement is designed to upgrade Pakistan’s air combat capabilities and counterbalance India’s acquisition of Rafale fighters.

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During the 2023 Dubai Air Show, China’s Hongdu Aircraft Company confirmed that Pakistan is engaged in formal negotiations to acquire light attack aircraft from China.

This potential acquisition aims to replace the aging F-7PG fighters currently used by the Pakistan Air Force for combat pilot conversion.

According to Hongdu, Pakistan wants to buy a light attack aircraft version of the L-15 trainer.

The armed variant of the L-15 boasts nine hardpoints capable of carrying approximately three tons of weaponry, strategically distributed across its fuselage and wings. Its arsenal includes the versatile HJ-10 anti-tank guided missiles and the LS series of 250-500kg laser- and satellite-guided bombs, augmenting its ground attack capabilities.

Equipped with a suite of Chinese lightweight aircraft sensors, including multi-mode targeting pods and electronic jammers, the L-15 stands out. Its electronically scanned array radar enables an anti-aircraft role, complemented by the integration of PL-12 long-range air-to-air missiles and PL-10 infrared-guided short-range missiles.

Further range extension options involve fuel drop tanks, enhancing its 500km combat radius for increased operational efficiency and on-station flight duration.

According to Pakistani military officials and pilot feedback, the J-10C offers modern avionics, an AESA radar, integration with advanced PL-10 and PL-15 missiles, and improved multi-role combat capability compared with Pakistan’s existing platforms, especially the JF-17 .

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KAMRA: The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) formally inducted a modern Chinese-made J-10C multi-role combat aircraft also known as “vigorous dragon” during a ceremony held at Kamra Airbase on Friday.

Prime Minister Imran Khan attended the induction ceremony of the single-engine fighter jet at the invitation of Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmad Babar, along with other federal ministers and the Chinese ambassador.

During the ceremony, The Prime Minister has witnessed a thrilling flypast of various aircraft formations, including the newly inducted J10C, F-16s, JF-17s, and Mirages, which displayed a sophisticated array of avionics and weaponry.

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Following the flypast, the Prime Minister witnessed the landing of five J-10C aircraft, which have been inducted into the 15 Squadron.

The J-10C is larger and can be outfitted with a bigger active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar than the JF-17 Block 3 uses.

The aircraft can carry fourth-generation air-to-air missiles such as the short-range PL-10 and the beyond-visual-range PL-15.

According to a foreign media report, China will deliver a total of 25 J-10C fighter jets to Pakistan, significantly increasing the country’s military capability to defend airspace.

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After being tested in Chengdu, the first batch of combat aircraft arrived in Pakistan a few days ago.

Images of a Pakistan Air Force (PAF) J-10C fighter jet with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) markings recently surfaced on social media and were widely circulated by media outlets.

Chinese analysts have praised the latest defence cooperation between China and Pakistan, saying that the move is significant for both countries because it strengthens the Pakistani military’s combat capabilities, promotes China’s aviation equipment, and serves regional security interests.

“The J-10C will significantly improve the Pakistan Air Force’s combat capabilities,” Chinese analysts predicted.

“The J-10C is a 4.5-generation medium-sized fighter jet that is more powerful than the China-Pakistan jointly developed lightweight fighter jet, the JF-17, which is currently in service with the Pakistan Air Force,” Shi Hong, Executive Chief Editor of Shipborne Weapons, told the Global Times.

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Turkey is a significant prospective customer but, as of mid-2024, no formal contract to acquire the J-10C has been finalized.

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Content: Russia ’ s poor performance on the Ukrainian battlefield has become a global laughingstock, and it is expected that Russia, as an arms exporter, will lose a large number of orders and turn to China.
As a matter of fact, the Russian-Ukrainian war is still at a stalemate, and the old Russian military customer, Sudan, an Islamic state in North Africa, has decided to buy the J-10C fighter that China has strongly promoted in recent years. If the two sides are determined, Sudan will be the second customer of China's J-10C export after Pakistan.
Turkish media International Defense Analysis (IDA) recently reported the news, but did not specify the amount and price of the purchase, which may be that the details of the sales contract are still under negotiation.
If the price of export to Pakistan is estimated at 40 million US dollars, the price of Sudan's purchase may be higher, because Pakistan's order is the first order of J-10C export, the price is naturally more favorable, and now Sudan's purchase to China is mainly Russia's image destruction, not the price factor; The aim is to counter India ’ s established French Tornado fighter, US-made F-16 and Indian Su-30MKI, but Sudan does not currently have this need, and may only be equipped with the shorter range PL-10, but this part may have little impact on the price.
At the beginning of this year, Pakistan officially released the news of the purchase of J-10C, there are unconfirmed rumors that J-10C may appear in Africa a second customer, which is more likely to be Sudan, and the purchase of the model will not be J-10C, the cooperation between China and Pakistan JF-17 Dragon is also one of the options, after all, JF-17 uses more customers.
With an area of nearly 2 million square kilometers, the Islamic state of Sudan in North Africa is the third largest country in Africa. Its name Sudan means "black land" in official Arabic.
Sudan, ruled by a military government, has long been plagued by the Darfur conflict and South Sudan's independence, and has been named the "most unstable country in the world".
Economically based on agricultural and animal husbandry processing products, the military has long been supported by the former Soviet Union and Russia, and the existing weapons are mostly Russian-Chinese systems, and there are a small number of US-French weapons.
The aircraft purchased from China and Russia are mostly old models, such as China's Keang-5, J-7, FTC-2000, etc. The Russian-made MiG-23, MiG-29, Su-24, Su-25, etc., a total of about 40 ~ 50 aircraft.
The FTC-2000, also known as the Jian-9, is considered to be the third generation trainer, so there has been a need to update the fighter fleet for many years.
From the perspective of the composition of the Sudanese Air Force, it is still the largest number of Russian-made fighters, so it is the most likely to buy Russian-made fighters again.
Although the French surge is also actively in contact, the price of each aircraft is as high as 100 to 200 million US dollars to deter the sultan.
Since this year, the Russian Air Force and fighter aircraft have shown everyone ’ s surprise, which has seriously hit the outside world ’ s perception of Russian-made military fire, so the J-10C seized the opportunity as early as the contact, although it has not yet achieved actual combat results, but also Pakistan began to use on the tense India-Pakistan border, there are not many buyers in the international search, in the current atmosphere, the J-10C deal is finally Get a breakthrough.
The size of Sudan's air force is small, if the first batch of J-10C is purchased, the number should only be more than 10, about enough to form a squadron.
In recent years, China has pushed J-10C internationally, and many countries have expressed interest. In addition to Thailand in Southeast Asia and Argentina in South America, some countries in the Middle East and Africa have also been considered.
Especially after Russia ’ s performance in Ukraine has become an international laughingstock, many customers who used Russian-made aircraft in the past should turn to China.
In addition to fighter aircraft, other ground weapons or various types of frigates, unmanned ships and now the most popular drones, will also be due to the performance of the Russian army and China get a large number of orders.
Since fighter trading has always been the largest trading item in the international arms market, if China ’ s J-10C can have a big win in this wave of Russian orders, it will significantly boost China ’ s ranking in the global arms market share.
According to the 2021 ranking of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States ranked first in arms transactions for the year with 39%, Russia ranked second with 19%, France ranked third with 11%, and China ranked fourth with 4.9%.
And France ’ s share of the increase mainly comes from India and the Middle East countries to buy surge fighters, China J-10C this year has Pakistan ’ s deal, if coupled with Sudan ’ s order, it may surpass France to become the world ’ s fourth largest arms exporter in 2022, if the J-10C can thus open the market, and even in a few years may surpass Russia, to become only the United States defense industrial power.
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The Chinese J-10 is touted as the best alternative to the US fourth-generation F-16, which has led some countries to consider acquiring it.
China has produced about 350 such aircraft since they entered service in 2005, according to Military Factory.
The aircraft has a single crew and is used by China and Pakistan and is designed for aerial combat missions with a variety of weapons.
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Length: 15.5 meters.
Distance between wings: 9.7 meters.
Height: 4.7 meters.
Weight of empty aircraft: 9.7 tons.
The total weight of the aircraft is 18.5 tons.
Speed: 2,336 km / h.
Altitude: 20,000 meters.
Range: 1800 kilometers.
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The Chinese J-10 has six under-wing and five under-hull external suspension points that allow it to carry a large external payload of weapons, including air-to-air missiles, laser-guided bombs and other types of conventional bombs, as well as a 23 mm internal machine gun.
There are several versions of the aircraft, some with one seat and others with two seats for training tasks, including:
The J-10A is a single-seat multirole fighter.
J-10B: Marine version with twin-engine engines.
J-10C: An upgraded version of the B version with an electronic radar and infrared guidance system for missiles.
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The J-10C is an upgraded export version, which Turkey may acquire as a replacement for the U.S. F-16 fighter jets.
Earlier, a Turkish presidential official said Ankara was expected to abandon the U.S. F-16 fighter jets due to the availability of a better alternative in the Chinese J-10 signal.
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Turkish interest focuses on the J-10C’s modern avionics, compatibility with US weaponry after modification, lower acquisition and operating costs, and faster delivery potential, but the deal remains unconfirmed and subject to political and procurement considerations .

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Additional preliminary interest has been reported from Sudan, which is said to be negotiating to acquire J-10Cs to replace older Russian jets, though no contracts have been signed .

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Other countries in Southeast Asia, South America, and Africa have expressed or are rumored to have shown interest in Chinese fighters, though no confirmed deals exist beyond Pakistan.

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Malaysia, for instance, recently considered Chinese L-15 jets in a tender but omitted the J-10 from its shortlist .

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Content: Malaysia ’ s tender project for the procurement of light fighter aircraft has recently passed preliminary results, which surprised all sectors of the community that the previously optimistic Sino-Pakistani joint development of the Dragon Warrior did not participate in the tender, which is equivalent to actively abandoning the military sale of Malaysia.
However, another Chinese fighter, the L-15 Falcon fighter / trainer, has entered the shortlist, and Western commentators believe that the L-15 Falcon is highly likely to receive an order from the Malaysian air force.
A total of six foreign defense companies submitted bids to the Malaysian military by the October 6 deadline, including India ’ s LCA Glory fighter, Russia ’ s MiG-35 fighter, China ’ s L-15 Falcon trainer, South Korea ’ s FA-50 light fighter / trainer and Turkey ’ s Hürjet trainer. The Italian M-346.
The report said that the news of the purchase of new fighters in Malaysia has been circulating for a long time, but the demand for the model and function of the aircraft has been uncertain, originally released the news of the French storm, European typhoon and the United States F / A-18 fighter aircraft interest, but finally decided to buy only light fighters because of budget problems, and therefore the mainland believes that the dragon fighter has a great opportunity to be elected, South Korean media also pointed out, the Malaysian Air Force The requirement for the new aircraft to have better off-range combat capabilities could put the South Korean F / A-50 behind the Naruto in the bidding.
Malaysian media quoted sources as saying that the Syndicate had not participated in the bidding before the deadline, "the specific reason is not known".
According to a tender issued by the Ministry of Defense in June this year, 18 light fighters are planned for purchase, and an additional 18 may be added in the future.
Eight of the first aircraft will be used as training aircraft, while the other 10 will be used as light aircraft for air-to-ground and air-to-air missions.
Performance requirements for the aircraft include aerial refueling, over-the-horizon combat, and supersonic flight capabilities, as well as other requirements such as having at least 30% of the parts manufactured in Malaysia and having to be delivered within 36 months of the contract.
As a result of these requirements, a number of models were included in the bidding.
External analysis believes that Turkey's Hürjet trainer has not yet flown, it is difficult to meet the 36-month delivery deadline; Russia's MiG-35 fighter procurement and maintenance prices may be too expensive, just a few years ago due to "high maintenance costs" and early retirement of the MiG-29 fighter in the country's air force; India's glorious fighter technology is still unstable and has no record of export to foreign countries. The ability to deliver on time is also in doubt.
Combined, China ’ s L-15s, South Korea ’ s FA-50 and Italy ’ s M-346 trainers are considered to be the most likely to receive a large order from Malaysia.
Among them, the FA-50 and M-346 have many foreign users. In contrast, although the Chinese version of the L-15, the Tuan-10 advanced trainer, has been adopted by the Chinese Navy and Air Force, there is no export order.
However, it is believed that with the capabilities of the Chinese aviation industry, China can fully equip Malaysia with the required combat weapons and avionics equipment. In addition, it may provide a very attractive package of financing and promise to provide technology transfer to facilitate the contract.
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Defense analysts highlight the J-10C as a 4.5 generation lightweight, multirole fighter with advanced avionics, a domestic WS-10B engine featuring thrust vectoring, an AESA radar, and improved cockpit situational awareness.

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Content: If the J-20 is China ’ s top and most popular fighter, then the J-10C should be given the most expectations, because the CCP believes it is a more competitive fighter in the international arms market in recent years. Although the J-10 was designed in the 1980s, after many improvements and upgrades, it has spawned at least 11 models, and its export model, the J-10C, has gradually opened up the international market. There was a lot of praise in the beginning.
Foreign military analysts believe that after continuous upgrading, the J-10 fighter will be able to use by the 2040s, becoming the United States F-15's most powerful competitor.
The initial design was a 3rd generation fighter architecture, but the constantly upgraded J-10 series has been included in the 4th generation fighter by many experts, it has more than 11 mounting points under the fuselage and wing, and can carry an astonishing number of weapons, including laser-guided missiles, GPS-guided and glide bombs, as well as general air-to-air and ground attack ammunition.
The J-10 was designed by Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611) and manufactured by Chengdu Aircraft Company. It was designed in the 1990s, when the PLA developed its own fighter aircraft with a program called the "Destroying Project Plan". It was the No. 10 project, hence the name J-10.
The original concept was to extensively use the technology of the 1980s US F-15 and F-16 fighter aircraft and new fighter manufacturing concepts. The chief designer was Song Wenchong, which first flew in 1998 and entered service in 2003.
With a range of 2,500 kilometers and a payload of 1.9 tons, the J-10 has appeared in at least 11 types of aircraft after years of modification on this basis, making it the largest number of derivative aircraft in China.
According to the British Institute for International Strategic Studies (IISS) estimates, the Chinese air force currently has at least 540 J-10s, which can be assembled on a large scale to deal with super large battles.
The "Global Defense" website has carefully analyzed the latest J-10 upgrade to a phased array radar, which can control multiple modes of fire control radar and track 10 targets at the same time. If it is a semi-active radar, it can attack 2 targets at the same time, and if it is an active radar, it can attack 4 targets at the same time.
Analysis pointed out that the ability to track and attack multiple targets at the same time is very important for modern aircraft, and this ability can also be matched to the AN / APG-63 (V1) radar on the F-15.
Later, Boeing again updated the active phased array radar version of the F-15, allowing the F-15 to follow 14 targets simultaneously and attack six of them simultaneously.
This upgrade is said to maintain a nominal advantage over the J-10 fighter that has replaced the active phased array radar.
The upgrade of the J-10 is also the most noteworthy, including the replacement of its domestic engine WS-10B, and the 2018 Zhuhai Air Show was also the first time that the J-10B was equipped with a thrust vector jet engine for a difficult flight performance, which won the attention of many international media and heated discussion on the Internet.
Since then, the WS-10 engine has gradually replaced the Russian AL-31 engine, and some of the J-20 fighters have been switched to the WS-10.
In addition, military experts also noted that the new version of the J-10 also uses a water drop type cockpit cover, allowing the pilot to have a wider and nearly 360-degree all-round view.
Analysts believe that after the radar, fire control, avionics, cockpit covers and engines have been upgraded, the J-10 has the ability to fly into the 2040s, and in recent years began to complete transactions in the international market, proving that nearly 20 years of continuous upgrading and improvement has achieved considerable results, and will also become a very strong international competitor for the United States F-15 fighter.
However, to compare the F-15 with the J-10, some people may think that it is not fair.
Because the F-15 architecture was determined in the late 1960s, it first flew in the early 1970s; in contrast, the J-10 was determined in the early 1980s, and it first flew in the late 1990s.
The theoretical basis of the original design is more than 10 years apart, and the final design is more than 20 years apart.
From the design background difference analysis, the F-15 is a high thrust ratio, low wing load, low resistance high-speed air superiority fighter designed by the US military according to the experience of the Vietnam War and the failure of the F-4 Phantom fighter. Air and ground attack aircraft.
Therefore, some analysts believe that if we want to compare, J-10 may be more suitable to take the F-16 as the target.
Coupled with the tense situation in the Taiwan Strait in recent years, there are more and more people are more concerned about the comparison of the J-10 and Taiwan's main air force fighter F-16.
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How is J-10C Fighter compared with JF-17, another jet fighter that China exports?

J-10 can be outfitted with a bigger active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

What has Taiwanese meida said about China's J-10 Fighter?

Substantial improvements have been made on it.

The fighter supports over 11 hardpoints, capable of carrying a variety of modern air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons .

What may some improvements made in China's J-10 Fighter help Pakistan Airforce?

Enable Pakistan Air Force to carry more missiles to perform combat missions

What missiles can China's J-10 FIghters carry?

Pakistani pilot and official feedback aligns with the view that the J-10C is cost-effective and technologically competitive, offering enhanced multirole flexibility and strengthening regional airpower balances .

International defense commentary is generally positive on the J-10C’s technological strides but includes critiques, particularly from Western analysts, concerning the reliability of Chinese engines (notably the WS-10B) and concerns about the robustness of China’s ongoing maintenance, logistics, and after-sales support infrastructure.

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India’s AMCA ‘Stealth Fighters’ Enter Production Stage, How Does It Jet Stack-Up Against China’s J-20 Mighty Dragon?

BySakshi Tiwari

March 21, 2022

The fifth-generation J-20 ‘Mighty Dragon’ is a prized possession of the Chinese PLA Air Force. With India’s prototype of AMCA going into production, will the Chinese stealth fighters have a potential challenger right across the border?

The Chengdu J-20 is a single-seat, multi-role stealth fighter that serves as a symbol of China’s growing air power as the plane has been featured prominently in military parades and air shows across the country.

Last year, the J-20 reportedly entered mass production after replacing the Russian AL-31F Turbofan engine with a domestically built WS-10. According to Chinese plans, the current WS-10C engine is further to be replaced by the latest and more advanced WS-15.

Chinese jets have traditionally been powered by Russian-made engines. China has long sought to develop its own engine and gain maximum flexibility, freeing itself from the constraints imposed by Russian engines. The successful integration of WS-15 on J-20s could be the next big breakthrough in self-sufficiency for China.

China’s next-generation turbofan engine, the WS-15, which is to dramatically boost the performance of the J-20 stealth fighter jet, has completed rigorous testing.

The WS-15 engine has undergone several tests, according to China Central Television (CCTV), after the WS-10, China’s first independently developed high performance, high thrust turbofan engine with afterburner, was installed on fighter jets such as the J-10, J-11, and J-20 since 2016.

The WS-15 has a low bypass ratio and is capable of thrust vector control, according to CCTV. It was developed for fifth-generation heavy and medium fighter jets. The J-20s were supposed to be integrated with the WS-15, but due to test failures, China decided to stick to the WS-10C.

The Chinese military now has a fleet of roughly 50 J-20s. New J-20s will be equipped with the WS-15 engine, said a report of South China Morning Post.

China has been relentlessly working to close the gap with the US Air Force and the upgrades that it is carrying out to the WS-10 engines are aimed at challenging the F-22 Raptors of the US.

This year, China will begin upgrading the J-20 engines by incorporating thrust vectoring technology to get it closer to the performance of the American F-22 Raptor, as previously reported by EurAsian Times.

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The J-20 has also often been compared with another fifth-generation fighter Aircraft in the US arsenal, the F-35. China is reportedly on track to increase the production of its J-20 aircraft. This was perhaps in response to the American plan to field more than 2,000 F-35 stealth jets across its three armed services, besides Japan’s multibillion-dollar F-35 acquisition.

China had dispatched J-20s to air bases in Xinjiang following a bloody encounter with Indian forces at Galwan in eastern Ladakh in June 2020.

India’s AMCA Warplane

India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) recently announced the proverbial “metal cutting” for the first prototype of the country’s next-generation fighter jet, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

The maiden flight of the AMCA is scheduled for 2024-25, with serial production beginning in 2030, EurAsian Times had reported.

According to reports, the Indian Air Force has committed to 40 AMCA Mk-1 fighters, as well as at least 100 Mk-2 variants and some unmanned aircraft. Like the Chinese J-20, the stealthy AMCA is also going to have ‘super cruise’ capabilities.

With AMCA, India will enter the exclusive club of countries with fifth-generation stealth warplanes. So far, the US (F-35 and F-22 Raptors), Russia (Su-57), and China (J-20) have built such fighters.

An AMCA model displayed during Aero India 2021 (Wikimedia Commons)
Although it is unknown how the AMCA, which is yet to be manufactured, will exactly compete with the Chinese J-20,

According to Aeronautical Development Agency chief Girish Deodhare, the AMCA will be available in stealth and non-stealth variants and will be produced in two stages: an AMCA MK1 with an existing GE414 afterburning turbofan engine that powers the LCA Tejas, and an AMCA Mk2 with a new, more powerful engine that will be developed in collaboration with a foreign player.

India and France are now reportedly close to reaching an agreement for the joint development of a 125KN engine that will power AMCA. The deal is expected to be signed in the near future.

Some experts have speculated that the Indian Air Force would model its futuristic aircraft AMCA on the American F-35. If true, this could ensure greater interoperability between the Indian and US Air Forces and could come as a massive headache for the PLAAF.

AMCA will be a single-seat all-weather swing-role stealth fighter jet with twin turbofan engines. It will be capable of a wide range of operations, including air superiority, ground strikes, enemy air defense suppression, and electronic warfare. China is reportedly working on a two-seat variant of the J-20.

AMCA is designed for super-cruise capability and a reduced radar cross-section. Both these features that the AMCA strives to include are already present in the J-20 Mighty Dragon. Further, J-20 took its first flight a decade ago and was inducted in 2017 whereas the AMCA is yet to see the light of the day.

The 20-ton AMCA fighter would be able to carry one-and-a-half tons of armament in internal weapon bays in its stealth mode. The non-stealth variant would carry weapons, targeting and observation pods, as well as fuel tanks on external pylons under the wings and fuselage.

Further, like the indigenous LCA Tejas that wields Python missiles, Astra BVRAAM, Vympel R-77, and R-73 air-to-air missiles, the Kh-59ME TV guided stand-off missile and the Kh-59MK laser-guided stand-off missiles, the AMCA could be integrated with similar weapons. Just as India sought HAMMER missiles for LCA, advanced missiles could also be imported for the AMCA.

Indian media reported that the AMCA could be equipped with Directed Energy Weapons (DEWs) just as China’s J-20 is believed to get the DEWs, as previously revealed by a Global Times report.

The AMCA’s avionics suite will comprise modern radars and electronic warfare capabilities with “sixth-generation characteristics.” The plane will have a very low radar cross-section for better stealth, as well as AI-based technologies and an upgraded cockpit display with a touch screen interface.

All these specifications are expected to put the aircraft on par with the J-20. According to reports, the AMCA will also incorporate thrust-vectoring engines. The J-20 is on course to upgrade its WS-10 engines with thrust vectoring technology while the WS-15 already possesses this technology aimed at achieving better maneuverability.

Both the Chinese J-20 and Indian AMCA have air superiority as their primary objectives. While the Chinese Air Force developed its fifth-generation fighter years ago, the addition of a similar aircraft to IAF’s arsenal could create a balance of power between the two adversaries that are locked in a prolonged border standoff.

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Its a long long way from production stage. Some bits are being assembled but that does not mean its entered production.
It will be some years before it flies

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i don't understand how can they jump from one project to another without finishing the first one?

i mean LCA is still not finished, the aircraft has not been inducted in the Airforce, not seen any combat, not seen any real life flying yet it is up for sale.

Reminds me of our politicians ... project hu na hu inauguration karwa du apnay naam ki

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i don't understand how can they jump from one project to another without finishing the first one?

i mean LCA is still not finished, the aircraft has not been inducted in the Airforce, not seen any combat, not seen any real life flying yet it is up for sale.

Reminds me of our politicians ... project hu na hu inauguration karwa du apnay naam ki

Have you thought of the possibility that they have different teams for different projects?

Moreover, for the AMCA and the multi-role helicopter projects, the majority of the ownership is expected to be owned by a consortium of private sector companies with HAL being the minority stake holder. There is a huge difference in the working cultures of private and public sector companies in India.

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Its a long long way from production stage. Some bits are being assembled but that does not mean its entered production.
It will be some years before it flies

Yup, that is just a tiny part production, similar like KF21/IFX program there are some parts being produced in early 2019 despite detail design completion was in September 2019 ( for single seat variant), KF 21 roll out is in 2021 April.

So if we compare AMCA with KF21/IFX program, so AMCA prototype roll out will likely be in 2024 and test flight is in 2025 with assumption the development goes smoothly from now until the flight test.

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The kingdom was again sanctioned.
According to the "Daily Economic News" news, the same batch of Chinese companies entered the US Department of Defense blacklist, there are 13, including DJI Innovation, Shenzhen Huada Gene, 360 Technology and so on.
On the one hand, the consumer-grade DJI flying over the Ukrainian battlefield began to cause the industry to discuss whether cheap civilian drones are becoming "guerrilla air forces"; on the other hand, on March 12, 2022, the US design software company Figma announced that it has blocked DJI's account and has not given a response time, indicating that design documents that can not be accessed due to failure to log in will be sent to DJI within two weeks. And...
Ukraine installs multiple weapons on Dij plant protection drones. (Observer)
Figma is not completely irreplaceable design software, but domestic similar software in order to differentiate the competition, most have their own focus, so a single software is difficult to completely replace Figma.
The problem facing DJI this time is mainly two points: First, it may be disrupted the rhythm of R & D design, affecting the speed of iterative computing of the product; Second, it may need to increase the cost to purchase multiple software to replace Figma.
In the six years from 2016 to 2022, the United States increased restrictions and sanctions on DJI.
However, the fact is that DJI has maintained a market share of more than 70% of the consumer drone market during this period, and its market share in North America has even reached 85%.
The US Department of Defense announced the military ban on the front foot, and the US military "disobeyed" and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy drones in DJI, which also led to military purchases by Iran and Britain.
The United States imposed tariffs on Dajiang, and Dajiang backhand increased the price of products sold in the United States to maintain the profit rate, and the market share even increased.
The US government has almost racked its brains in order to sanction DJI, but in the sixth year of sanctions, how does DJI still live well?
U.S. sanctions have no effect on DJI.
In 2015, the White House Correspondents ’ Association Dinner in Obama, DJI had a one-minute performance.
On January 26 that year, the Secret Service on patrol found a crashed quadcopter drone on the lawn of the southern White House, and the military and the Secret Service were close enemies. Finally, it was discovered that the small thing was because the U.S. government intelligence personnel were drunk, inexperienced and incompetent, and mistakenly flew to the White House and he did not know it, and went back to sleep.
This quadcopter drone entering the White House is like entering an unmanned territory.
For this reason, the United States public opinion has been uproar, then President Obama in the next half of the year, almost everywhere, will encounter reporters ask him about Chinese drones.
So, at the 2015 White House Correspondents Association dinner, Obama simply took the matter out to ridicule, on the big screen released a picture of Vice President Biden on the White House lawn waving a baseball bat at the Dajiang drone, claiming that the Secret Service had installed a new high-precision security system in the White House, and came up with a smart plan to stop letting others mess around the White House lawn.
The United States government then Vice President Biden on the White House lawn on the DJI drone dance baseball bat composite photo, self-mocking. (Observer Network)
There was a lot of laughter at the dinner, but whether it was Obama speaking on stage, Trump sitting down, or Biden himself, who was made into a "sophisticated security system" in the photo, no one really treated this as a joke.
In a way, this picture is not a joke, but an expression, even a prophecy.
In 2016, U.S. lawmakers began to propose restrictions on DJI on the grounds of network data security; in 2017, the United States officially launched an investigation into DJI; in May 2018, the U.S. Department of Defense, the Department of War, in the form of a memorandum, requested all subordinate troops to stop the procurement and use of DJI and ban all drone products.
However, all restrictions have not been able to stop DJI's annual performance growth of 300% to 500%, DJI still accounts for about 75% of the US consumer drone market, and was once placed high hopes in the United States 3D Robotics because of the mass production capacity of the anti-shake cloud platform and the GPS system often have problems such as connection errors.
In August of the same year, the United States Air Force Special Forces issued a procurement report, saying that we tried Tiny Whoop, Ebee, 3DR Solo in the United States, but they were unable to meet the demand.
“Due to the urgent operational tasks and lack of local alternatives, we hope to purchase 35 Dajiang drone Mavic Pro platinum version specially. ” According to the purchase order disclosed by CNN, in the year after the War Department ban was imposed, the“ disobedient ” Navy and Air Force spent nearly $190,000 and $50,000 respectively on the purchase of Dajiang drones.
In 2019, the US government, which had not been able to take effect before, began to increase the sanctions. The Ministry of Defense explicitly banned federal funds from purchasing Chinese-made drones in the "FY 2020 Defense Authorization Act," and the Ministry of Commerce announced that DJI would be included in the trade control blacklist and increase tariffs on its products.
DJI is not a coward, the backhand to the affected model "price increase" treatment, the most up $230, the least also rose about $120, the average American consumer and related companies are also using money to vote, in order to buy the machine before the price increase, brought a wave of centralized purchase, once pushed the market share of DJI to 85%.
The U.S. government says Chinese drone manufacturer DJI ’ s products pose a threat to U.S. information security. (VCG)
The US Air Force even considered direct cooperation orders with DJI because it wanted to purchase some models that had been discontinued.
But DJI does not always do military goods, including the United States military, in fact, are purchased through public sales channels, and even some of the soldiers themselves in the Amazon.
The US military wants to stop production of models, DJI official spokesman Lisberg's response is: dealers may still have inventory, or you can ask?
In October 2020, the US Secretary of the Interior ordered a halt to further purchases of Chinese drones, and two months later, DJI “Heidi ” the US Department of Commerce entity list.
But DJI's advantage in the consumer market has been a bit unstoppable.
3D Robotics, the only competitor that has brought trouble to DJI, has been knocked out of the market directly, and the highest market share of other brands, including Microsoft, is not more than 4%, while DJI ’ s global market share in the civilian market is still around 70%.
On the other hand, the United States government's siege and interception of the DJI, and the United States military can not find a substitute can only repeatedly jump the status quo, so that the forces of various countries began to pay attention to the military application of civilian drones.
In July 2020, the Ukrainian State Border Protection Agency issued a message saying that through the bilateral cooperation framework between the Border Protection Agency and the British Embassy, 10 drones with a total price of about US $44,600 were obtained from the British side to patrol the border in the air to protect the security of the country.
As a result, we take a look at the picture, these 10 drones are actually Dajiang Mavic, the most expensive professional version in the series is only 12888 yuan (RMB, the same below), 10 drones add up to no more than 130,000 yuan, which translates into more than 20,000 US dollars.
From the 2015 quadcopter drone crash in the White House under Obama, to the 2022 Biden design software company Figma announced the closure of the DJI company account, seven years later, the US president has changed three times, but DJI is still the DJI, just stronger.
Drones have become a focal point of controversy between China and the United States, and U.S. officials are concerned about the information that Chinese drones may collect and how they handle the data. (Xinhua)
DJI 's Technology Competitiveness
In the story of the DJI sanctions and anti-sanctions, the most widely circulated is the bridge of the tariff and backhand price increases, which seems to be particularly combustible, but to be fair, it is actually an extremely rational business decision, behind which is DJI's strong technical force and competitive enough superior products.
This is not something that can be done with blood.
In the words of DJI public relations director Khotan, "every part of DJI unmanned aerial vehicle is produced by itself, and the underlying code is its own, whether it is a patent or a research method, it is difficult for any drone company to bypass DJI." And this accumulation of patents and technology is not achieved overnight.
In addition to the founder, Wang Tao, there are two people who are crucial to DJI: Wang Tao ’ s graduate tutor, Li Zexiang, at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, and Zhu Xiaorui, a professor of robotics at the Shenzhen campus of Harbin University of Technology.
When the two people left only a cashier in DJI, they invested 1 million yuan together, and just caught up with the first graduate students of Harbin Institute of Technology (Shenzhen), which was counted as solving the problem of money and people for DJI.
Since Li Zexiang and Zhu Xiaorui are both academic, and Wang Tao and the first batch of technical teams from HKUST and Harbin Institute of Technology, DJI ’ s initial team had an extremely thick atmosphere of engineers.
There are many people in DJI even think that the R & D system established by Wang Tao may be the most efficient in China, and the technical documentation can be written as a textbook.
“It ’ s hard for people with this development habit not to succeed.
And the truth is also testing that word.
In March 2009, DJI made its first energy production helicopter flight control product XP3.1, due to the technical leadership and few competitive products, quickly achieved a commercial profit and loss balance; in 2010, it launched the second generation helicopter flight control Ace One, the weight from XP 3.1 700 ~ 800 grams to about 100 grams, and the unit price also fell from XP3.1 more than 20,000 yuan to more than 100 yuan. The revenue level was stabilized at the million level; then it quickly iterated and introduced a new generation of helicopter flight control WooKong; and then on the basis of WooKong, it changed its own multi-rotor flight control WooKong-M.
DJI drone technology has been widely recognized by the outside world. (VCG)
With the WooKong series, DJI has directly passed the threshold of annual income of tens of millions and single product revenue volume of tens of millions, and has entered the stage of no bad money. From the beginning of the business, the whole process has only taken less than 3 years.
Many people say that DJI's advantage in the drone market is the first-mover advantage, and this sentence is only half right.
Because there are more than one drone startup company in China at the same time, but no one can have such a strong technology and talent reserve in DJI, and no one can keep up with the speed of repeated computing of such a fast product.
The advantage of DJI is essentially to exchange the technical strength of the R & D team for the iterative computing rate of the product, and then roll the snowball a little bit.
More importantly, Wang Tao ’ s knowledge of the technological development path has led to his surprisingly keen insight into industry trends.
From the beginning, he determined that the main three technical difficulties of drones were "flight control, gimbal and picture transmission", and formulated three product development directions for this.
Among them, the demand for image transmission was not up at that time, and the difficulty was higher, so the choice was first to outsource; resources were prioritized to flight control and cloud platform technology research and development.
The research and development of Yuntai has achieved the next explosion of DJI, and has become an important technical advantage for DJI to resist the impact of overseas startups.
The business war with GoPro makes DJI mature quickly.
In 2011, Wang Tao met American Colin Quinn at the Radio Remote Control Helicopter Conference held in Mansi, Indiana. Quinn ran an aerial photography startup to find out if anyone ’ s drone could take stable video footage, and this is a key research direction of DJI.
A few months later, DJI released the “ZENZI Z15 ” using DJI self-developed gimbal technology at the Toy Fair in Nuremberg, Germany, which is the world ’ s first civilian high-precision gimbal, which detonated the industry almost overnight.
Colin Quinn has joined DJI and established DJI ’ s North American branch in the United States, where he holds 48% of the shares, with DJI holding the remaining 52%. In January 2013, DJI released a landmark drone product: DJI Phantom, DJI ’ s “Elves ”.
Now everyone is saying that the professional drone market and the consumer drone market are not the same, but before the emergence of the DJI "Elves", there was no "consumer drone market" at all.
Just as AppleII pioneered the PC industry and Tesla pioneered the electric vehicle industry, it is Dajiang ’ s use of the “Elves ” product to create a market for non-professional drones, which directly led to the financing tide of the entire drone industry in 2014.
Qualcomm and Intel frequently run to China to find projects, and the shot is $50 million level of funding.
And Colin, who is responsible for the operation of the US company, is also a marketing wizard, put forward the advertising slogan of “the future can ’ t do anything ”, and used his star resources accumulated by participating in variety shows such as“ Extreme Challenge ” to promote Phantom on social media such as Facebook, which further broke the cognitive barrier of ordinary consumers for drones.
The US military is also using DJI drones. The US military is operating DJI drones on missions in the Middle East in 2017. (Network picture)
That time also happened to be when GoPro began to pop red, from meditation to elves, these two generations of products are only Yuntai, Dagang did not make its own camera, but by default equipped with GoPro.
Colin led the line hope that DJI and GoPro deep cooperation, the result in the negotiations the other side asked to take two-thirds of the profits, Colin also promised, this touch Wang Tao's minefield.
This is also a piece of public case in the history of drone development, many media later in the report simply attributed the contradiction between Wang Tao and Colin to the distribution of benefits, in fact, is not accurate.
Looking back at the first half of the beginning of DJI, almost all of its competitive advantages have been built up through technological evolution and R & D iterative computing.
DJI's internal R & D department has always had a high weight, more than half of the 10,000 employees are engaged in engineering development work, and the company's annual R & D investment accounts for about 15%. Wang Tao once recalled that there was no particularly clear business logic at the beginning of the business, that is, to do products.
This slightly ignorant entrepreneurial approach has brought many problems, but behind it is an engineer's almost instinctive pursuit of technology and products, which ultimately laid the company culture of DJI with technology and products as the core.
The biggest difference between DJI and Colin is that they have very different judgments about what is most important to a company.
For DJI and Wang Tao, a GoPro that can only play a marketing role to cut two-thirds of the profits, I am afraid it is impossible to accept.
In their hearts, perhaps only decided the product itself to the research and development and technology to deserve the profits of the big head, marketing is not worthy.
This contradiction was more obvious in the negotiations with Colin, Colin felt that he was the biggest contributor to the development of the North American market, and even felt that he had shaped the corporate image of DJI, which was the number two figure of DJI, but Wang Tao's position was only a regional marketing and sales leader, so that the two appeared a huge valuation difference, and the negotiations broke down.
At the end of 2013, Wang Tao locked all the email accounts of employees of the North American branch, disbanded most of the employees, and redirected all North American customer orders to the Chinese headquarters, and DJI firmly seized the initiative of the United States competition.
Colin backhand will sue Dajiang to the court, and eventually the two sides settled out of court, Colin got $10 million settlement fee, according to the valuation of the year's Sequoia capital into DJI of $1.5 billion, this price should be closer to the psychological expectations of Dajiang.
And leaving Colin quickly joined another drone company in the United States, 3D Robotics, threatened to let the world know 3DR, but the first product Iris after entering the job failed to meet expectations, and the high expectations of 3DR Solo frequently appeared GPS system connection problems, even stable flight is difficult to guarantee.
When the product was launched, even the mass production of the anti-shake cloud platform was not realized, and it was not until a few months later that the cloud platform components were replaced.
In the end, Solo collapsed in the battle with DJI ’ s “Elf 3 Pro ”. 3D Robotics stocked 100,000 units, and only 20,000 units were sold as a result, which directly led the company to announce its exit from the consumer drone market.
GoPro Karma ’ s battery sometimes goes wrong, causing the drone to fall out of the sky, and with a battery life of only 15 minutes, it will be cut down by 2018. (Official YouTube Screenshot)
Dajiang was in talks with GoPro, kicked out of Colin, soon released the "Elf 3", with its own layout of the self-developed camera, plus "flight control, gimbal, picture transmission" in the last "picture transmission" also no longer use the outsourced analog picture transmission scheme, but use their own research and development of digital picture transmission, Dajiang fully realized the automation from hardware to software.
In 2015, when Obama made various remarks about the drone that crashed on the White House lawn, reflecting on whether to restrict Chinese drones, the fiercest battle in the consumer market was over.
The accumulated technical strength of DJI has been replaced by a thick competitive barrier of the company, no matter who comes, it will be difficult to shake its foundation for a while.
Behind DJI ’ s success is China ’ s drone training.
December 2005, Nagoya, Japan.
Japanese customs officials seized a container that was about to be shipped to China on the grounds of "incomplete formalities."
The cargo in this container is a new Yamaha R-MAX L 181 unmanned helicopter purchased by a Chinese company.
The development of the subsequent events was unexpected by the experts of the day.
In late January 2006, Japan's Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry reported Yamaha on the grounds that it was "suspected of selling to China RMAXL 181 unmanned helicopter capable of being used for military purposes."
Police from Shizuoka and Fukuoka prefectures in Japan jointly searched Yamaha, and Fukuoka prefectural police even claimed that the Chinese purchaser was related to the People's Liberation Army of China.
As soon as this news came out, experts on both sides of the day were shocked.
Not surprised at the performance of this aircraft and the transactions behind it, but surprised at how the level of professionalism of the Japanese police can be so low.
RMAXL 181 drone is just a plant protection drone, although the Chinese company bought it not to fight pesticides, but also in order to aerial photography of the city scenery and complete the creation of the TV series, CCTV version of "shooting hero" in many aerial scenes is the work of this company.
Before that, the Japanese government had paid no attention to its exports: Sweden, Australia and Malaysia had all purchased the product except China.
And, from a military point of view, it is not a weapon at all, but a “toy ” at best – this aircraft is less than 4 meters long, weighs less than 100 kilograms, does not fly more than 200 meters, and can only carry a load of 20 kilograms.
This indicator is far below Japan ’ s own limit of “no more than 300 kilograms of payload for export drones ”.
However, in Japan ’ s official description, this civilian drone, which can only be described as “relatively advanced ” on the market, has become a vehicle for“ weapons of mass destruction. ”
In 2006, China, a big country capable of developing fighter planes, nuclear weapons, and ballistic missiles, was "stuck in the neck" in a agricultural drone and beaten back.
The bitterness, needless to say, everyone understands that the Japanese government is "playing by the problem", and you have nothing to do.
The world soon saw the power of “Made in China ” in the field of drones.
In 2016, the DJI MG-1 plant protection drone entered the Japanese market, and DJI began to establish an independent sales team in Japan.
Compared with Yamaha ’ s fuel-powered helicopter at the time, DJI ’ s rotors are simpler to operate and more convenient to maintain. After 3 years, they have been recognized by the market and have the highest amount of ownership in the same category of products.
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In today ’ s drone market, China is definitely the number one player in the first echelon.
In the field of military drones, Americans may be able to rely on "global hawks" and "predators" to compete with China, but in the civilian sector, especially in the consumer market, the performance of American manufacturers can only be described as "cutting back."
Once an American drone brand 3DR and Lily, now a helpless announced withdrawal from the consumer market, a deep management crisis, and even exploded the "DJI drone picture as their own" such confused behavior.
China has more than 400 drone manufacturers, and 8 of the top 13 consumer drone brands in the world are Chinese brands.
In terms of commercial applications, the performance of Chinese drone manufacturers is also quite outstanding.
The 5 most popular commercial map mapping drones in the world, although they look different models, are all DJI products.
According to a report released in 2018 by DroneDeploy, a world-renowned drone software provider, the world ’ s commercial drone landscape has changed dramatically. DJI continues to lead, accounting for 85% of the market share, and brands such as Autel, Yuneec and Parrot have also launched new models and participated in the market competition.
When the “China-Japan drone crisis ” occurred in 2006, mainland experts estimated that China would need 2,000 drones by 2020.
However, as of 2019, the number of registered drones in China has exceeded 330,000.
China ’ s commonplace reality today has far exceeded experts ’ predictions. After what happened in 2006, researchers in related fields were mobilized.
The College of Agricultural Sciences and the University of Agricultural Science and Technology began to establish the research direction of agricultural aviation, and determined to develop the Chinese people's own plant protection aircraft.
In fact, not only the civilian plant protection drones, the development of the air force and the domestic large aircraft project are also calling for more fresh blood.
Once the resources are invested, the results can be seen soon. From 2008 to 2012, Chinese universities began to train talents in agricultural aviation.
In addition to agricultural aviation, other aviation engineering specialties have also become the focus of development.
Friends who often go online at that time should know how much attention China paid to the J-20 and the domestic large aircraft project.
Once the country begins to focus on the development of a certain field, this field of expertise will become extremely popular. In the 1990s, the popularity of finance, foreign trade, and computer professions can not be separated from the promotion of the national level.
Then, a classic phenomenon in China ’ s education sector once again arrived – many universities began to “expand ” their aviation majors.
As a number of students entered the field, China ’ s aviation engineering “talent pool ” began to flourish.
Soon after, in 2013, the aviation profession appeared "difficult to work" problem.
The more talent approaches saturation, the higher the standard of recruitment of major scientific research institutes: 2011 undergraduate students, graduate immediately after graduation can work in the Institute; and their 2014 graduate students may not even have the interview qualifications - because at this time, talent has been saturated, scientific research institutes and even master students do not, as long as the famous school doctoral students.
So we see that a large number of aviation students do not engage in related work after graduation, but run to banks, brokerage companies, schools, government agencies and other places to start a new life.
From a macro point of view, this is called “free flow of talent ”.
For aviation and aerospace students, going to graduate school is the most orthodox way, but now this road is no longer available, but life still needs to continue, so they began to flock to private aircraft manufacturing enterprises such as DJI and JIEFI.
Wang Tao, founder of drone company DJI, is a graduate of the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology. (Vision China)
The same goes for students in agricultural aviation.
For many students, Daikang is no stranger.
Agricultural aviation students do experiments in schools, and often need to buy their own components to do hardware and write their own flight control programs.
At that time, DJI's products had a certain reputation in the circle, and many students would buy a DJI to go back and open it and study its flight control.
After graduation, when these students found that they could not enter the graduate school and faced "employment difficulties", they found that private drone companies were on the rise, and they naturally turned to the embrace of China's private drone companies.
As a result, Chinese drone companies such as DJI and Extreme Fly have begun the road to the sea for mass murder.
In fact, the young people of DJI, and not only learn aviation? There are too many Chinese university students: studying physics, you can design aerodynamic shapes; learning computers and software, you can write flight control programs; learning radio, you can improve remote control technology.
These are all advantages brought by the "overflow" of talent, and China has enough replacements to fill the posts.
From the development of China's drones, what can be seen is a unique industrial talent cultivation route in China.
Before exploring this route, let ’ s talk about one concept: ordinary people.
In fact, most of the graduates produced by Chinese schools are “standardized ordinary talents ” rather than talents.
The so-called "standardized ordinary talents" are those who have learned professional knowledge for 4 years, but feel as if they have not learned anything, and can quickly get started and grow after doing professional work.
When they grow up, they become real people.
We often say that “Chinese schools can ’ t produce talent ”, and there ’ s nothing wrong with this sentence — those cutting-edge trends and insights in the industry are impossible to learn in schools.
Even if the teacher gives you a hearty talk, you can only understand 20% at most.
This is because the talent is polished through a lot of practical experience.
As for those who can shine and make great achievements in school, that is not talent, that is genius.
China has the largest number of university students in the world, accounting for one-fifth of the world's university students, and the vast majority of them end up working in the country.
Therefore, we can think that: China's academic correction to the Chinese society to export a large number of "ordinary talents", China's economic, industrial development of the "total strength" is sufficient.
However, it should be noted that sufficient "total strength" does not mean that there are enough people in all positions.
There are so many people in the business administration field that they need to queue up to get on the front line, but there is some blue and yellow meaning in the chip field.
China ’ s universities are expanding every year, and every year students are saying “hard to find a job ”, which may be positive in a sense. After all, China ’ s overall strength is really not so much at a time when college students are allocated, supply is short of demand, and regarded as a child of God.
Many industries are like a bucket under a faucet: the water in the faucet is flowing, and the water in the bucket is constantly overflowing.
Every drop of water that comes into the barrel is new, but every drop that comes out of the barrel may be new or old.
After the "standardized ordinary talents" in a certain industry accumulate to a certain number, it will form a "talent overflow" situation.
The most obvious sign is that there is a large number of people who do not engage in professional counterpart work after graduation.
And among these people, there may be hidden people who can use their knowledge to win the championship on another track.
People watch drones at a science museum in Hohhot, Inner Mongolia, China, on September 19, 2020 (Getty)
When the overflow water is more and more, if you put another basin outside the barrel, you can even hold more water than in the barrel.
The development of China's plant protection drones mentioned in the previous article is the true embodiment of this law.
Agricultural aviation is a rather unpopular profession, when the country began to develop, it will inevitably cause the oversupply of talent in this industry and even overflow. There are too many people spilling over, plus there are private enterprises outside this plate, then things will be well done.
For example, a knowledge-based job, the actual talent gap may be only 100 people, but the country spent a lot of money to train 10,000 people.
The first batch of 100 graduates quickly filled the gap, leaving 9,900 people with nothing to do in an instant.
As a result, some of the remaining people switched jobs, and some self-supporting portals took advantage of the market by making low prices.
There are also a lot of people who want to disrupt this industry.
This is the Chinese-style industrial talent cultivation route: use quantity to produce quality - after the emergence of new hot spots, the government took the lead in development, schools began to expand, and students entered in large numbers.
In the end, talent “spills ”, which leads to innovation.
The advantages of a highly concentrated system of resources have played a huge role at this time.
Then, we saw that there were such a group of unwilling people who made a shocking career.
From the perspective of the development of Chinese drones, the complete industrial chain has almost played a decisive role.
Since 2019, the Defense Innovation Agency, a division of the U.S. Department of Defense, has launched a "blue drone" program, which claims to provide the U.S. military and federal government departments with a "security option" to replace Chinese products, while blocking DJI, and opening a white list of five other companies, claiming that the drones of the five companies were selected by the U.S. Army and the Defense Innovation Agency for 18 months. "Best Unmanned Technology".
The US Department of the Interior was also very cooperative, quickly grounded about 800 Chinese drones, and rushed to the five white list companies to buy restructured aircraft.
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission also cooperated with the announcement to crack down on "fake American manufacturing", requiring that true American manufacturing must meet three conditions: first, the final assembly and processing of the product must be in the United States; second, all important processing of the product is in the United States; third, the vast majority of the product's components are produced in the United States.
In 2022, DJI drones were sanctioned.
(Getty Images)
It turns out that the United States doesn ’ t actually have a supply chain for drones at all.
The cameras, gimbal, fuselage, and batteries needed for the drone are all supplied by China.
Of the five companies whitelisted by the United States, at least four rely on China for parts such as circuit boards.
In the field of small civilian drones, the United States actually has no alternative products that can get rid of Chinese technology.
With the rise of DJI alone, the value orientation and large investment in technology research and development as the core, coupled with the repeated calculation and polishing of products, is the most important competitive barrier.
DJI's entire operating mechanism is almost always established to ensure product research and development.
This is the key reason why the repeated computing rate of DJI products and the efficiency of technological research and development are significantly higher than the average level, and in the field of consumer electronics, only the company that constantly changes its own life can become a real leader.
At the same time, in the process of the rise of China's drone industry, you can also see the traces of the Shenzhen region's exploration of the combination of industry and research.
The training mechanism for talents in China's science and technology industry is constantly being improved and verified from the development of this industry.
It reflects the process of industrial development and the transformation of the educational and scientific research system throughout the country.
The content of this article is extracted from the original book "Grand National Lock Key" by the Star Ocean Intelligence Bureau, and published under the permission of the Observer Network.

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Content: According to Turkish media reports, after the delay in delivery, Pakistan has decided to cancel its 2018 purchase of 30 T129 attack helicopters from Turkey, and switch to the purchase of Chinese-made Z-10ME armed helicopters, which can be said to be the dividends derived from Pakistan's purchase of Chinese-made J-10 fighters.
"Global Network" quoted the local media "Defense Industry News" reported that the decision to cancel the purchase of Turkish attack helicopters was the head of the Public Relations Department of the Pakistan Armed Forces Babar.
Major General Iftihar announced it at a press conference.
He said Pakistan was "determined to move forward" and confirmed that talks were under way with China on the purchase of the Z-10ME armed helicopters and that the Turkish deal had been abandoned.
The report pointed out that Pakistan and China in 2014 and the procurement of the direct -10 negotiations.
However, in 2018, Turkey ordered 30 T129 attack helicopters worth $1.5 billion from Turkey. Since the LHTEC-T800 engine for the helicopter is made in the United States, it must first obtain the US export license, but the United States has not responded, so Turkey has been unable to execute the order.
Turkey and the United States have been engaged in lengthy negotiations on the implementation of the contract, trying to obtain an export license for the engine.
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In an earlier statement, Turkish presidential spokesman Ibrahim Karin said, "The United States has prevented us from providing combat helicopters to Pakistan."
This could lead to the transfer of tenders to China, and the loser would be the United States. ”
According to earlier reports, in sharp contrast to Pakistan ’ s lack of a U.S. export license for its order, Turkey ’ s contract to sell the same attack helicopter to the Philippines was approved by the U.S. government.
Pakistan ’ s military plans to replace 48 old American-made AH-1F attack helicopters with new armed helicopters.
Previously, Pakistan had reached an agreement with the United States to purchase 12 new AH-1Z attack helicopters, but due to the problems of the United States, the agreement could not be implemented.
According to public information, the Chinese-made Z-10ME is an advanced attack helicopter that debuted in 2018, and it is derived from the Z-10 upgrade, including: equipped with active and passive confrontation equipment, replaced with more powerful engines up to 1200 kW, new engine exhaust vents to reduce infrared features, and attached deck to provide defense capabilities.
The report pointed out that the Z-10ME has all-weather combat capabilities, with air-to-air missiles, rockets, artillery and other airborne weapons, which can effectively attack enemy ground fortifications, armored and non-armored moving targets, and aerial targets such as helicopters.
It is understood that Pakistan has purchased at least 25 J-10CE fighters from China, and the country's interior minister recently announced that these fighters will fly over the observation deck in formation at the celebration of Pakistan's Independence Day in March.
This batch of fighters is also the first export of the J-10 series, which is of great significance to the international market prospects of China's defense industry.
Source: Turkish media: Pakistan cancels Turkish order to buy China direct -10ME, the loser will be the United States
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